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Welcome Bob-
I am not much into metal and longer, as I prefer "tasteless" fusion, but in the interest of personal growth, who would you suggest listening to nowadays as representative of the style of music your into?
Oh, and one last thing: If you want to avoid a war in here, please do not start a thread comparing Vinnie Colaiuta and Dave Weckl? or Vinnie and Nicko McBrain for that matter [img]redface.gif[/img] That is HOD suicide!
Take Care. F.S.
Stop Laghing at me. Fusion only seems to appeal to the very few other fusionheads who are into or on that level musically. Thus thats why there are alot of struggling fusion musicians out there. Where as metal and rock/alternative groups with melody and singing (besides rap and hip hop retards) sell millions of records and make lots of money and date hot chics. Maybe thats why Vinnie always plays on so many pop sessions. Because they pay money and lets face it life is about money and chics.
-Bob King of Metal drumming.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 10, 2003 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Bob King Of Metal Drumming ]</font>
You should not personel attack people. Its bad message board behavior. My thought proceess is actually very intelegent. I have a masters from Columbia University. Lets keep it about drumming Bozzio.
"The blankets were the stairs"
Long live Geddy Lees nose. lol
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 10, 2003 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Bob King Of Metal Drumming ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I must say that in the last 20 years, metal has grown and evolved just as much, if not more than fusion. Of course you have Virg and Marco who are forging a path, but I don't know of many fusion bands who are saying anything different--maybe Dapp Theory.Quote:
Originally posted by Bozzio:
To me there's absolutely NO GROWTH in the metal community when it comes to language, versatility in application, and trust me I've heard pretty much everything from doom to extrem to speed to prog. [img]eek.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ November 10, 2003 12:23 PM: Message edited by: Bozzio ]</font></font>
A lot of modern fusion can be attributed to the CCEB sound, or guitar virtuoso trios like Holdsworth or Krantz. Correct me is this too large of an assumption.
Sure, there are a lot of shitty metal bands out there, and there are shitty fusion bands----but you don't hear many shitty fusion bands because no one will sign them. But metal is more popular so the the labels will sign generic metal bands.
Groups like Meshuggah, Dillinger Escape Plan, Cryptopsy and others have a unique sound that was unheard of in the 80's. Fusion has crept into metal, but not much metal has crept into fusion.
The songs by these artists are way more difficult than the Baked Potatoe Vinnie show--which is simple tunes being blown over.
Fusion is based on a lot of improv, and metal is based on heavily structured composition. Of course there are many intricate fusion artists, Billy Childs, Steve Coleman, MCLaughlin, OTV, PlanetX. And there are many metal bands with alot of changes as well. Athough I can say that harmony wise, fusion is more complex than most metal--metal is more on the rhythmic side.
All music has grown, except radio music. Let's not forget classical music, that has been evolving as well, and some of it is so unlistenable that it could be devolving.
And CAB with Virgil, Bunny, Tony Mac etc.. can attract 15 people in VA, whereas Cannibal Corpse can sell out. Metal is just as legitimate as fusion as far as I'm concerned.
Metal rules Brother man! Like I said before if fusion is so truely great why doesn't it attract more of an audiance? I bet if you added up the total sales of every major fusion artist, it probably wouldn't even be close to say the total net value of certain metal artists. Ane lets face it life is all about $ and chicks.
"Chick corea = Bubba Boie"
This has to be a joke.
Why does Britney Spears sell more than Cryptopsy? For one it has a wider/direct appeal. As "underground" as a metal band maybe, trust me most of them have alot of appeal to the pimpled face 15 yr old who can't stand listening to Linkin Park or the 19 yr old who won't bridge outside playing monotonus "extreme" laughable blast beats and dares to make fun of the stupid punk kid who's pretty much doing the same thin.g
On the other hand do u expect a kid to listen to Tribal Tech and actually understand it from a musical persepective? Hell No.
I don't think all forms of fusion are picking up from CCEB or anything associated with Allan. Listen to Dave "Fuse" Fiuczynski.
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Bozzio this is a drum message board not a pick on board. If you were so educated you wouldn't be wasting your time posting about useless nonsense. I know personel attacts are frowned upon but you are acting like a joke. All I want to do is be helped out from this board and all it has to offer to someone who is into and loves drumming, but maybe you just don't get it? Maybe you sould try another message board? I'm sorry to be so blunt but does anyone else agree? Lets keep things real and about drumming!
Personally, this has become the rather typical cliched mundane topic.
BTW, welcome BTKOMD...[funny name, but w a self-imposed nomer like that, you MUST be 1 helluva drummer [img]wink.gif[/img] ]
You have posted some interesting posts...as i do not listen to much metal in any form anymore [except for Donati's 1st & 2nd solo discs, which has elements, but isn't really in & of itself], u r helping me to stay abreast of elements within this style, which is cool by me...I HAVE heard some rhythmically good metal - some beeyotchin drummers in that scene today...but, & like every style, metal also has loads of complete bullsh** [this goes for every style]...& that can be argued as opinion at best...
Fusion also has sour stuff, too...but it also has some of the most ground-breaking musical ideas ever...dude, that comment about "life is about $$ & chicks" - LMFAO...that is your opinion [it may well be - a majority hold this opin as well, & it was my credo for a long time AW]...well, we know you're not gay!!
True, the metal bands who have become mass-popular make tons of dough...but there are zillions of the same who are going NOwhere, according to that mindset...& some of them are prob actually good...but if it was all about $$ & chicks, Dave Weckl would've stopped progressing somewhere between the ages of 17 & 25 [& even at that age his playing could smoke some serious "chick's shorts"]...i guarantee you Weckl could slam dunk a metal gig, but 90% of metal drummers could not play as many diff styles as well as he, & as incredibly...[Donati might be an exception [img]wink.gif[/img] ]
PS - u prob shouldn't rag on Chick Corea here...actually, he does QUITE well at a living [solely at music], altho most Joe's may not see that...guaranteed he does better than you do SOLELY AT MUSIC [no other job included!]...& he is one of the most prolific musicians of this era or any era or style...& even HE listens to some rock & metal to check it out/stay open minded/keep abreast of the times, even tho it's not his playing style]...to poke fun of him is your right, but shows complete immaturity & lack of musical understanding...even back in my metal daze, I wouldnt DARE make such comments about a man of his musical stature...& in his bands he has turned out some of the most jaw-dropping musicians TO DATE...
...& after all, he IS a "chick," right?! [img]wink.gif[/img] ...
Having said that, tho, i welcome your additions to this board - it can prob keep me attuned to a style i otherwise wouldnt be acclamated to these days...i became bored w metal musically [but not always necessarily RHYTHMICALLY]
, altho there are some really good drummers playing the style today...
Peasch 'at, G...
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 10, 2003 04:47 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
Dude thanks for your support but I wasn't making fun of chick corea just simply stating a fact that he looks like Gary Delabte from the Howard Stern show. Yo yo yo yo keeping it real in da feel and in da club! Money and chicks it's what its all about word!
OK! [U may be right about THAT!] - lol